We were on our way to the demonstrations – since it was clear that continued pressure is essential and the weather, September pressures, general exhaustion would keep a lot of people away.  We too were exhausted and ready for a restful evening.

But we thought on the way to meet Oren for a drink before he went on his trip, and the conversation was so intensive that we never made it down the street to the demonstration.   So we saw the people coming and going with flags, and we talked and talked.

It was an important conversation, and Oren raised a question I’ve been avoiding. “What does the protest have to offer to the soldiers fighting on the borders that’s better than what Ben Gvir is giving them – a workable concrete ideology?”  “Let’s talk,” I said weakly. “Hah,” he answered.